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security of tenure for their boys and girls, and some absolutely abhorrent absences of right of inheritance to their children.

M. Johnson

17.10.91

What is your authority for saying that Chinese sell their concubines?

Ms. 12.10.91

M. Braine said

I had gathered it from conversation with various people present at a meeting with Mr. Russell from China & I think he told me the same thing. But you will find it is stated in a Report by the U.S. Consul at Shanghai, at f. 61 C-3185-1882, that "always a concubine is a subject for sale or hire, with the exception however that if the original bill of sale stipulated that she is sold to be a concubine, she cannot be sold to be a labour slave or a prostitute" (Des. 31/10/90).

188 Concubines

The law will probably be a dead letter as regards the women's guardians in a Chinese household. Chinese women are very rarely known to the authorities.

I do not know how the age of his concubines or slaves will be known to the authorities.

Shall we

On the whole I think J. Fleming's suggestion in the last par. of this despatch will be the best course.

Is Falke

This quarter is one of great difficulty,

Lut

I do not think that the undertaking referred to in the 5th par. of this despatch can be given to the Chinese. This point has, as far as I can make out, been raised at Singapore.

17/12

Lord Knutsford

X. The point was not raised at the Straits,

but mentioned in a despatch.

21

The word "unlawful carnal knowledge of any girl under fourteen" will not be reason enough to gather why the Hongkong clause is worded differently is given in par. 6 of despatch on p. 31 of C. 242-1890.

Do any action now.

to be taken as defining the age of consent for wives

2

S.W.J. 9/12

Minute above marked with red ink might be consulted in further disp.

John

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security of tenure for their boys and girls, and some absolutely abhorrent absences of right of inheritance to their children. M. Johnson 17.10.91 What is your authority for saying that Chinese sell their concubines? Ms. 12.10.91 M. Braine said I had gathered it from conversation with various people present at a meeting with Mr. Russell from China & I think he told me the same thing. But you will find it is stated in a Report by the U.S. Consul at Shanghai, at f. 61 C-3185-1882, that "always a concubine is a subject for sale or hire, with the exception however that if the original bill of sale stipulated that she is sold to be a concubine, she cannot be sold to be a labour slave or a prostitute" (Des. 31/10/90). 188 Concubines The law will probably be a dead letter as regards the women's guardians in a Chinese household. Chinese women are very rarely known to the authorities. I do not know how the age of his concubines or slaves will be known to the authorities. Shall we On the whole I think J. Fleming's suggestion in the last par. of this despatch will be the best course. Is Falke This quarter is one of great difficulty, Lut I do not think that the undertaking referred to in the 5th par. of this despatch can be given to the Chinese. This point has, as far as I can make out, been raised at Singapore. 17/12 Lord Knutsford X. The point was not raised at the Straits, but mentioned in a despatch. 21 The word "unlawful carnal knowledge of any girl under fourteen" will not be reason enough to gather why the Hongkong clause is worded differently is given in par. 6 of despatch on p. 31 of C. 242-1890. Do any action now. to be taken as defining the age of consent for wives 2 S.W.J. 9/12 Minute above marked with red ink might be consulted in further disp. John
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security of temme for there bor

women, and some absolutely absences

right of inheritance to their chiesen

M. Johnsm

for

17.101

What is your authouts for daying that Chinese

Sell their concubines -

Ms. 129.10

M. Brains an

I had gathered it from conversation

with

صصة

wah pete present a

photot pinsan a Missiman

Russell from China & I think sie). told me the same thing. But you will find it is stated in a Report by the U.S. (moul at Shanghai, at f. 61

C-3185-1882, that always a subject for sale

a concubine

cr

hire, with

I did not quean Luisely that they ofte do it but anl that they

they plean Gis. 9. 31

the exception however that if the orginal bill of sale stipulated that she is sold

concubine, she cannot only to be used as a

be sold to be a labow slave or a

a prostitute" gins. 31/10/90

*

188 Concubians

The law will probably be a dead letter as

zjans for the womens grasters in a Chinese honan an

Chinnar honen are very print

4 Ids guder how the age ofhis concutions or soun

Existine will be knnon to the authorities-

Shin

On the whoh I thiork J. Flemings suggestion in It lack par.

of this despatch will be the best course. Is Falke

Mis This quarter

fuertem is one

M571

of great difficulty,

Lut

the

I do

whore & expecially working to the opinion fother Chich portice, as that is a polson, Jam dispored to have the Winance as it stands & to adopt the suppstion fale Fleming in the cart paragraph of his despeton. not think that the undertaking referred to in the 5%.

this paraprophe other despati case be goin to the Chinese. This point has, as far as dean model, wet, was bem reited at Singapore..

17/12

Lord Kuntsford

X. The point

Surrnor mugte Straits,

buthed in a

pulled

21

was

not raised at the

the word. Mainly forbid,

The

sex also to the despert. Canlawful carnal knowledge of 77.65

Kil

any girl under fourteen. quill noth reasm

then gather

bidin Julia.

K

why the Haughing claus. is worded differently is given in par. 6 of desp" on p. 31 of 4. C. 242-1890

Do any

action now.

to be taken as

the age of consent for see part of my first

to defining

wives

2

S.W.J. 9/12

minnti above marked with redfemit I'm gut might be consulted in austin disp.

Joh

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